Photoshop Greed

[Hand-Holder]

I use the Photoshop 20G paid Plan (LR, PS, BR) that costs me 9.50€/Month and never had doubts with that bill, that I paid religiously

I use it for some work and have a great knowledge about it, also I hate changing softwares and having to learn new
menu rituals

But Adobe just announced their 9,5 plan is over and next month the minimum payout will be 18,50 or 18,90, something around 18

I wont sail that ship and I think they are making a huge mistake, because Photoshop may be the most complete but is not exactly the only software around, not even close. Many close competitors can convince people that 18 is not worth it, when maybe 9 was worth it !!!

Actually it is one of the most complete for High End Pros that know how to squeeze all it´s functionalities, but even many deep editors can find all they need in other competitors

So what are your thoughts ? Are you guys gonna still pay the rent when it is around 18 ??? Not Me !!!

GREED WILL MAKE THEM FALL - I See many people turning their backs to it with so many other options !!!

[Josh the Cyborg]

I'm a Linux User I know all about Adobe's Sins

[Prof Sai]

The point of a free market is that bad corporations can be replaced by better ones. This is why free markets are better than the alternatives - there is a built in mechanism that can resist corruption and inefficiency, and this mechanism doesn't require convincing politicians and government bureaucrats to do anything.

But if course, that only works if switching from one product to another is reasonable. Lock people up with switching costs or patents, and you'll find that corporate communism is no better than the other kind.

So basically, if you don't dump Photoshop, you'll end up in a gater gitmo death camp.

https://www.gimp.org/
https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
https://krita.org/en/

I use Pixelmator, and used to recommend it, but there is no sign of real development since Apple bought it. Corporate communism.

[Hand-Holder]

https://www.gimp.org/
https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
https://krita.org/en/

I use Pixelmator, and used to recommend it, but there is no sign of real development since Apple bought it. Corporate communism.

I use Gimp on PC and Snapseed on the Phone, but I will seriously have to think witch alternative to invest in, cause I hate switching many times and not going deep in learning one single most complete software

But this is definitely a switch, if people stopped paying all these ridiculous monthly rentals/subscriptions, they would suddenly find themselves with the power to travel or do many other hobbies

[Little Sally]

I use Gimp on PC and Snapseed on the Phone, but I will seriously have to think witch alternative to invest in, cause I hate switching many times and not going deep in learning one single most complete software

But this is definitely a switch, if people stopped paying all these ridiculous monthly rentals/subscriptions, they would suddenly find themselves with the power to travel or do many other hobbies

If you want Photoshop, you just buy a used program off Ebay for very little money and it's yours forever (no rentals/subscriptions).

But if you're just into creating AI imagery as seems to be the thing nowadays, then why bother. AI will do what you tell it to do without learning any skills.

[Prof Sai]

But if you're just into creating AI imagery as seems to be the thing nowadays, then why bother. AI will do what you tell it to do without learning any skills.

Not really. AI can be pretty useless when you need a specific result. And some things that are easy to visualize can be next to impossible to describe in words. So I find myself taking an image back and forth repeatedly between programs until I get what I want.

[Little Sally]

But if you're just into creating AI imagery as seems to be the thing nowadays, then why bother. AI will do what you tell it to do without learning any skills.

Not really. AI can be pretty useless when you need a specific result. And some things that are easy to visualize can be next to impossible to describe in words. So I find myself taking an image back and forth repeatedly between programs until I get what I want.

Yes, I can imagine that must be a pain to get what you want. But it's testament to your perseverance.

It's a reason I do things from scratch on PS. Mainly because I use my own subject stock and have control over the end result.

I've found AI can be useful for backgrounds though, especially for creating some bizarre situations (like interacting with giant creepy clowns and other crazy stuff).

[Hand-Holder]

I use Gimp on PC and Snapseed on the Phone, but I will seriously have to think witch alternative to invest in, cause I hate switching many times and not going deep in learning one single most complete software

But this is definitely a switch, if people stopped paying all these ridiculous monthly rentals/subscriptions, they would suddenly find themselves with the power to travel or do many other hobbies

If you want Photoshop, you just buy a used program off Ebay for very little money and it's yours forever (no rentals/subscriptions).

But if you're just into creating AI imagery as seems to be the thing nowadays, then why bother. AI will do what you tell it to do without learning any skills.

No, not at all, I use Photoshop a lot, mainly for work, not here, I even teach Photoshop classes sometimes, just don't use it for SW content

[Prof Sai]

I've found AI can be useful for backgrounds though, especially for creating some bizarre situations (like interacting with giant creepy clowns and other crazy stuff).

Yes. AI is good for producing singular elements, and can do cleanups of composite works. And it has some limited ability to animate. But despite several LoRAs based on the subject, it still can't understand shrinking people, and tends to see SW pictures as a mistake to be fixed.

[Josh the Cyborg]

If you actually intend on full Switching away from Photoshop, you will be doing a lot of Experimenting for Things Gimp simply Does not have Drop in Replacements or Addons for. Photoshop is the Primary reason most established Creatives can't switch to Linux afterall. They're Work flow is so Entrenched mentally they can't afford to Experiment anymore.

[Hand-Holder]

If you actually intend on full Switching away from Photoshop, you will be doing a lot of Experimenting for Things Gimp simply Does not have Drop in Replacements or Addons for. Photoshop is the Primary reason most established Creatives can't switch to Linux afterall. They're Work flow is so Entrenched mentally they can't afford to Experiment anymore.

iI would never switch to Gimp, is terrible as a replacement

I´m willing to pay, but 10/month is enough or a rental to wear a software, not 20

[Josh the Cyborg]

If you actually intend on full Switching away from Photoshop, you will be doing a lot of Experimenting for Things Gimp simply Does not have Drop in Replacements or Addons for. Photoshop is the Primary reason most established Creatives can't switch to Linux afterall. They're Work flow is so Entrenched mentally they can't afford to Experiment anymore.

iI would never switch to Gimp, is terrible as a replacement

I´m willing to pay, but 10/month is enough or a rental to wear a software, not 20

Yes it is. Was not actually mentioned that you will have to Experiment.

The issue with Photoshop is it cover so much. Its not just a Photo Editor like Gimp is. Photoshop Covers Photo Editing, Video Editing, etc... its why its so hard to leave even if you Stop paying for it. To leave Photoshop you need to Start using atleast 3 or 5 Applications to Cover what Photoshop Covers.

For Example
Krita: for Drawing
Da Vinci Resolve: for video Editing
Paint.Net for Photo Editing

Back when I was a Windows User Paint.Net is what I used.

Edit: Also its name is Paint.Net that is not tbe Website name

[Hand-Holder]

If you actually intend on full Switching away from Photoshop, you will be doing a lot of Experimenting for Things Gimp simply Does not have Drop in Replacements or Addons for. Photoshop is the Primary reason most established Creatives can't switch to Linux afterall. They're Work flow is so Entrenched mentally they can't afford to Experiment anymore.

iI would never switch to Gimp, is terrible as a replacement

I´m willing to pay, but 10/month is enough or a rental to wear a software, not 20

Yes it is. Was not actually mentioned that you will have to Experiment.

The issue with Photoshop is it cover so much. Its not just a Photo Editor like Gimp is. Photoshop Covers Photo Editing, Video Editing, etc... its why its so hard to leave even if you Stop paying for it. To leave Photoshop you need to Start using atleast 3 or 5 Applications to Cover what Photoshop Covers.

For Example
Krita: for Drawing
Da Vinci Resolve: for video Editing
Paint.Net for Photo Editing

Edit: Also its name is Paint.Net that is not tbe Website name

I completely agree with you and feel the same exact way, but there comes a time when you just HAVE TO REFUSE remaining a hostage of a Monopoly and just do not let you self be milked without mercy...

Again, it will be a pain in the ass to find a resemblant of replacement, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and sometimes, no matter how pain it causes you just must SAY NO to some ABUSES !!! WE HAVE TO !!!

[Josh the Cyborg]

I completely agree with you and feel the same exact way, but there comes a time when you just HAVE TO REFUSE remaining a hostage of a Monopoly and just do not let you self be milked without mercy...

Again, it will be a pain in the ass to find a resemblant of replacement, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and sometimes, no matter how pain it causes you just must SAY NO to some ABUSES !!! WE HAVE TO !!!

That is Exactly why I switched to Linux. Windows needs Copetition. No Mac does not count. Apple is worse than Microsoft and its a Completely Different Hardware so technically not even the same Space.

Though to be Fair if it was not for all the Work that has gone into Things Like WINE/Proton and Valve Integrating that Translation Layer into Steam I would not have been able to make the Switch 3 Years ago

[Prof Sai]

Are there examples of innovations that originated with open source programming?

I have heard that Linux has problems with innovation: It isn't possible for new ideas to fluish there because the only way to get programmers to align on an idea is to show them it working on Windows. A programmer I read about complained that he'd been trying to get an internal file structure standard in Linux, and was always told "get a mac" because macs had resource forks. But then when Microsoft implemented the same idea, the same detractors were suddenly all enthusiastic about the idea.

I don't have any personal experience with this myself, so I am asking to verify.
Also, photoshop for video editing? WTF? What about iMovie?

[Josh the Cyborg]

Are there examples of innovations that originated with open source programming?

I have heard that Linux has problems with innovation: It isn't possible for new ideas to fluish there because the only way to get programmers to align on an idea is to show them it working on Windows. A programmer I read about complained that he'd been trying to get an internal file structure standard in Linux, and was always told "get a mac" because macs had resource forks. But then when Microsoft implemented the same idea, the same detractors were suddenly all enthusiastic about the idea.

I don't have any personal experience with this myself, so I am asking to verify.
Also, photoshop for video editing? WTF? What about iMovie?

Thing is 50% of Devs/Coders/Programers Use Linux Desktop Daily. Actually I believe part of the Reason windiws 11 Sucks and is so User Hostile is because Microsoft's Dev Team also using Linux,and there for don't have to deal with half the changes their making, and has Probably been Developing Windows in a Virtual Machine, Heck Windows Azure is actually just Linux to.

Technically we're also all using Linux Right now. Any Google Infrastructure is running on a Linux Server and while 60% of Servers are Windows more often than not those Servers are Virtual Machines running on Linux on a Super Computer or building size Server PC that is running 10s to hundreds of Servers.

As for the Video Editing Comment I don't remember what Adobe's Video Editor is named. I just know Adobe is openly Hostile to Linux.

[Hand-Holder]

Are there examples of innovations that originated with open source programming?

I have heard that Linux has problems with innovation: It isn't possible for new ideas to fluish there because the only way to get programmers to align on an idea is to show them it working on Windows. A programmer I read about complained that he'd been trying to get an internal file structure standard in Linux, and was always told "get a mac" because macs had resource forks. But then when Microsoft implemented the same idea, the same detractors were suddenly all enthusiastic about the idea.

I don't have any personal experience with this myself, so I am asking to verify.
Also, photoshop for video editing? WTF? What about iMovie?

Thing is 50% of Devs/Coders/Programers Use Linux Desktop Daily. Actually I believe part of the Reason windiws 11 Sucks and is so User Hostile is because Microsoft's Dev Team also using Linux,and there for don't have to deal with half the changes their making, and has Probably been Developing Windows in a Virtual Machine, Heck Windows Azure is actually just Linux to.

Technically we're also all using Linux Right now. Any Google Infrastructure is running on a Linux Server and while 60% of Servers are Windows more often than not those Servers are Virtual Machines running on Linux on a Super Computer or building size Server PC that is running 10s to hundreds of Servers.

As for the Video Editing Comment I don't remember what Adobe's Video Editor is named. I just know Adobe is openly Hostile to Linux.

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