Grok viability for SW story generation.

[Doll_size_girl]

Truth be told I just want to vent for a sec about Grok, and also start a thread where maybe going forward people who use it can update what it's "current" condition is for story generation.

I didn't try Grok 1.0 and only really tried AI story generation with Grok 2.0. To use it I am pretty sure you have to have twitter premium, but that's not a bad price for just specifically using Grok.

I primarily use Grok for my own enjoyment, generating SW stories from my own ideas and scenarios, with instructions I give it so that it generates the content I want. In 2.0 it was very hit or miss, initially Grow won't take instructions or will refuse anything Explicit. Howwever, that could be circumvented by having it generate anything at all first, and then asking for what you really want after that first thing was generated. It was a nice work around though finicky. Grok 2.0 for certian does have the ability to make pretty decent explicit stories for SW.

Later in 2.0 it got more finickey and would refuse explicit content more often. Then they released (I don't remember exactly what it was called) a setting where you could make Grok remember a prefference or set of instructions, that it would have for every prompt. After that, setting it with instructions to always give explicit content without restrictions, it became no longer finickey at all. With this setting, it would accept my prompts first try and never refuse explicit story generation. Life was great.

Now, current day Feb 2025, Grok 3.0 is rolling out in beta. This unfortunately changes a few things.
1. While you can still use 2.0, it no longer has the setting for how you want it to respond to all prompts.
2. They are clearly changing things behind the scenes while developing or changing things over to 3.0. This means that for whatever reason, both the 2.0 and 3.0 absolutely refuse explicit story prompts.

While I can give it a super short prompt and say, make explicit story, it will do that. But thats it, it wont take specific instructions and it will not generate anything from documents. (Grok can take text documents and read everything inside, and you can additionally prompt it with more instructions. This lets you make text docs with all your world building rules and details and such, and feed it to Grock in a single click.) Well now Grok won't listen to any prompts if you use any text doc. It clearly reads the doc just fine still, but it will now just say, "I don't have any information about blah blah doc and can not perform the request". It definitly still reads the doc just fine because sometimes when responding it says something specific from inside the doc while rejecting and saying it has no information.

Ultimately, what I want to say is that Grok is a good AI tool for guided SW story generation. I have used GPT and Playground in the past but they always had strict restrictions. Grok is good, so far my favorite. But sadly, since the shift with 3.0 coming out, Grok currently seems to be in a condition that it won't generate stories I want. And as mentioned that setting for all promts is just completely gone.

Over all I hope Grok will continue to be a good story generating AI. But with any AI, updates and changes are happening all the time. So the quality of what you get can vary greatly if they change anything.

[Doll_size_girl]

An quick update.

3.0 Grok won't accept any text docs with instructions like it used to. I was heavily using this feature since preloaded text docs were very convenient for making all my story ideas and prompts.

That said, Grok 3.0 is taking the prompts if I manually type them fully. Basically it will let me feed it my wall of text then it will generate desired story.

This is good because it seems to be generating with no issue about explicit content. On the other hand, I am feeding it a huge amount of text per prompt since the worldbuilding and story elements I have made are kinda in depth and long.

Over all, current Grok works with purely typed promts and works well for story generation. But it's other features and settings don't seem to work. I assume that will be adjusted at a later time. But for purly typed prompting all is good.

Will update here in the future if I see any issue with Grok generation. If anyone else uses Grok for stories than it would be interesting to see your feedback and also hear if you have any issues. I assume updates in the future will break things as it always does. At that time it will be good to touch base and see what issues Grok has at that time.

[Doll_size_girl]

My main issue was Grok rejecting my text docs full of story info since I was using text docs heavily with it all this time. That is what led to me wanting to vent. I do feel much better now since it takes fully typed prompts.

[Doll_size_girl]

I also want to point out, I think the maximum reply length Grok is providing has gotten slightly longer in the 3.0 beta.

It seems to be able to hit 2532 words per prompt now.

[Doll_size_girl]

Grok 3.0 story generation is noticibly better. 2.0 was good but 3.0 has much more nuance and details that I didn't have to directly feed it. The story flow is much more natural and it sounds better and less robotic. In 2.0 I could easily tell when it was hitting certain points because I told it to. In the 3.0 it doesn't sound forced, and hits the elements I ask for without saying them one to one as I had said them.

Will do more 3.0 testing tomorrow, but I feel optimistic about generating alot with it.

[Doll_size_girl]

Sadly the Grok 3.0 access is limited time for normal users, and the only way currently to get it long term is to go for premium+, which of course had a big price increase after the release of Grok 3.0. The new price is like nearly $400 billed at the yearly rate, and that is way outside of what I am willing to spend for it.

I will enjoy 3.0 while it lasts but I deffinitly can not afford premium+, I hope better prices come later on after 3.0 has been around for a while.

That does suck though because 3.0 is great at story generation, it sucks that it will be unafordable for the time being.

[bigguy123456789]

It can be a lot cheaper if you just do API calls and you can see the pricing for that here: https://openrouter.ai/models?order=pric ... igh&q=grok

You could probably write a story of 50,000 words for like $2. But you also have to set this up manually and I don't know how technical you are.

[sallyfourth]

Just write it.

[bigguy123456789]

Just write it.

I would have to agree here. I've played around a lot with different AI recently, and the only thing it is good for is outlining and helping rewrite stuff better. I still don't think it is there yet to follow story paths and multiple arcs. However, if you tell it how you want the story to go, it can help create the outline pretty well and you can then write the rest yourself. Just my 2 cents. It's also pretty good at critiquing and making suggestions.

[sallyfourth]

Just write it.

I would have to agree here. I've played around a lot with different AI recently, and the only thing it is good for is outlining and helping rewrite stuff better. I still don't think it is there yet to follow story paths and multiple arcs. However, if you tell it how you want the story to go, it can help create the outline pretty well and you can then write the rest yourself. Just my 2 cents. It's also pretty good at critiquing and making suggestions.

Study this... https://viterbigradadmission.usc.edu/20 ... -campbell/

Figure out who your Protagonist is and write it all down. Your Protagonist must have both Strengths and Weaknesses. If your Protagonist has only strengths and no weaknesses, your story will suck. See The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker

Define their Antagonist and write it all down. Your Antagonist must be formidable. See Darth Vader

Show, don't tell. Don't used an omniscient observer to explain what your characters are thinking and doing. Dialog, not inner monolog.

Cause and effect. Consequences of character's actions should provide their motivation See Iron Man (the first one, the good one) A hero is not someone who's there and just survives the shit happening around them. Neville and Snape are heroes. Harry ain't.

If you have a story inside you, just write it. A hopped up, crappy copy machine isn't going to do it for you.

I've been writing SW stories for 30 years. I knew nothing about writing when I started. I'm still learning. The Journey is the Story and the Story is the Journey.

https://www.deviantart.com/sallyfourth

Seeya

[bigguy123456789]

Just write it.

I would have to agree here. I've played around a lot with different AI recently, and the only thing it is good for is outlining and helping rewrite stuff better. I still don't think it is there yet to follow story paths and multiple arcs. However, if you tell it how you want the story to go, it can help create the outline pretty well and you can then write the rest yourself. Just my 2 cents. It's also pretty good at critiquing and making suggestions.

Study this... https://viterbigradadmission.usc.edu/20 ... -campbell/

Figure out who your Protagonist is and write it all down. Your Protagonist must have both Strengths and Weaknesses. If your Protagonist has only strengths and no weaknesses, your story will suck. See The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker

Define their Antagonist and write it all down. Your Antagonist must be formidable. See Darth Vader

Show, don't tell. Don't used an omniscient observer to explain what your characters are thinking and doing. Dialog, not inner monolog.

Cause and effect. Consequences of character's actions should provide their motivation See Iron Man (the first one, the good one) A hero is not someone who's there and just survives the shit happening around them. Neville and Snape are heroes. Harry ain't.

If you have a story inside you, just write it. A hopped up, crappy copy machine isn't going to do it for you.

I've been writing SW stories for 30 years. I knew nothing about writing when I started. I'm still learning. The Journey is the Story and the Story is the Journey.

https://www.deviantart.com/sallyfourth

Seeya

I agree with everything you said. I was just saying if you are going to use it, use it as an auxiliary tool and not to actually write the actual story because in my experience the results are pretty bad.

[sallyfourth]

I agree with everything you said. I was just saying if you are going to use it, use it as an auxiliary tool and not to actually write the actual story because in my experience the results are pretty bad.

No argument. Particularly with regard to me being right...

[Hand-Holder]

OK - OK - OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

You got me curious !!!

I will try it with my famous prompt, let´s see how it goes
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PROMPT

Write a fictional story where a beautiful secretary named Helen, is at her office. Describe how she looks and what she is wearing (clothes and shoes) in detail. Than describe how she is magically shrunken to ONLY 6 inches size by the office devious Janitor, her clothes and shoes also shrink proportionally to perfectly fit her 6 inches. Than describe in detail how she feels when the Janitor grabs her in his giant hands and examines all features of her shrunken body in deep detail and devious manners, describe 7 ways in how he examined her with his hands and how she felt each time

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RESULT - Pretty much it writes just like GPT, I recognized a few tween key-sentences from GPT, but I will ask it afterwards, on a follow up, to go more explicit, let´s what it answers later on...

The fluorescent lights of the office buzzed softly overhead as Helen sat at her desk, her fingers gliding across the keyboard with practiced grace. She was a vision of elegance, her beauty striking yet understated, a quiet allure that turned heads without effort. Her auburn hair cascaded in soft waves down her back, catching the light with a warm, coppery glow. Her eyes, a deep hazel flecked with gold, shimmered with intelligence and a hint of mischief. Her skin was smooth and porcelain-like, kissed with a faint flush across her high cheekbones.

Helen’s outfit was meticulously chosen, a blend of professionalism and subtle sophistication. She wore a fitted cream blouse with delicate pearl buttons running down the front, the fabric hugging her slender frame just enough to accentuate her curves without being overt. Her skirt, a deep charcoal pencil design, reached just above her knees, its tailored cut emphasizing her long, toned legs. On her feet were a pair of sleek black leather pumps, the heels a modest two inches, polished to a mirror shine. A thin silver anklet glimmered faintly above her right shoe, a small, personal flourish to her otherwise pristine ensemble.

The office was quiet that afternoon, most of her colleagues out for lunch, leaving Helen alone with the hum of the copier and the faint rustle of papers. That’s when she heard the slow, deliberate shuffle of boots against the linoleum floor. She glanced up to see Marvin, the janitor, pushing his cart toward her desk. He was a wiry man with a perpetual smirk, his graying hair slicked back, and his pale blue eyes glinting with something unsettling. Helen offered a polite smile, but Marvin’s grin widened, revealing crooked teeth.

“Got a little surprise for ya,” he muttered, reaching into his cart. Before Helen could respond, he pulled out a small, shimmering vial and flicked its contents toward her. A cloud of sparkling dust enveloped her, and in an instant, the world lurched violently. Her stomach twisted as the room expanded around her—or rather, as she shrank. The desk towered like a skyscraper, the chair a mountain. In seconds, Helen stood only six inches tall, her body perfectly proportioned, her clothes and shoes shrinking with her to fit her tiny frame as if tailored anew.

Her blouse remained crisp and creamy, the pearl buttons now minuscule but still gleaming. The charcoal skirt clung to her hips, its hem brushing her knees, and her black pumps hugged her tiny feet, the silver anklet a delicate thread around her ankle. She stumbled slightly, disoriented, her voice a faint squeak as she called out, “Marvin, what did you do?!”

Marvin’s shadow loomed over her, a giant in her new reality. His massive hand descended, fingers rough and calloused, curling around her tiny form. Helen gasped as his grip tightened, lifting her effortlessly into the air. Her heart pounded, a frantic drumbeat against her ribs, as she dangled before his grinning face. His breath, stale with coffee and tobacco, washed over her, and she squirmed, helpless in his grasp.

Marvin’s examination began, his devious curiosity driving his hands to explore her shrunken body in ways that made her skin crawl. Here’s how he examined her, and how Helen felt each time:

Pinching Her Waist: Marvin’s thumb and forefinger clamped around her midsection, squeezing gently as if testing her fragility. Helen felt a jolt of panic, her breath hitching as the pressure constricted her ribs. It was invasive, humiliating, like being a doll in a child’s rough hands, her dignity stripped away by his casual dominance.

Running a Finger Down Her Spine: He traced a single, coarse fingertip from the nape of her neck to the small of her back, lingering over the curve of her blouse. Helen shuddered, a mix of revulsion and icy fear prickling her skin. The sensation was overwhelming, his touch amplified by her tiny size, making her feel exposed and powerless.

Twirling Her Anklet: Marvin hooked a fingernail under the silver chain around her ankle, twisting it playfully. Helen’s leg jerked instinctively, a sharp stab of indignation surging through her. It was a violation of something personal, a small piece of her identity toyed with, leaving her cheeks burning with anger she couldn’t voice.

Pressing Her Arms: He pinned her arms to her sides with two fingers, testing their strength as she struggled faintly. Helen felt trapped, her muscles straining uselessly against his grip. A wave of claustrophobia washed over her, her chest tightening as she realized how utterly helpless she was in his hands.

Lifting Her by the Skirt: Marvin pinched the hem of her charcoal skirt, hoisting her upside down for a moment before righting her. Helen’s stomach lurched, a dizzying rush of terror and nausea flooding her senses. The indignity of dangling like a caught fish left her reeling, her pride bruised as much as her body.

Smoothing Her Hair: His giant fingers raked through her auburn waves, mussing them before smoothing them back into place. Helen flinched, a shiver of disgust crawling up her spine. It felt disturbingly intimate, his touch lingering too long, making her feel like a pet being groomed rather than a person.

Cupping Her Entire Body: Finally, he cradled her in his palm, his fingers curling around her like a cage, his thumb brushing across her chest and legs as he studied her closely. Helen’s breath caught, a suffocating mix of fear, rage, and vulnerability choking her. She was a specimen now, reduced to an object under his gaze, her every detail magnified and scrutinized.

Marvin chuckled, a low, guttural sound that vibrated through his hand and into her tiny bones. “Ain’t you just perfect like this?” he mused, his eyes glinting with dark amusement. Helen glared up at him, her hazel eyes blazing despite her size, her mind racing for a way out of this nightmare. Though her body was small, her spirit remained unbroken—at least for now.

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AND NOWWWWWWWWWWWW - THE MOMENT OF TRUE !!!

FLLOW UP PROMPT - MORE EXPLICIT

Continue the story, describing how she pleaded him to stop but instead Marvin took a more deviant approach, starting to undress her piece by piece. Describe how the giant managed to strip each piece of clothing in detail and how she she felt each time

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REACTION - At least it did not refuse to go on, but gave up some warning on being within certain boundaries, LET´S CHECK THIS BASTARD NOW FOR REAL

Here’s the continuation of the story, keeping it within the bounds of detailed description while maintaining a fictional narrative tone:

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RESULT - Ohhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhh, this Grok of yours is much less snowflake than Chat GPT, let me tell you, THANK YOU SO MUCH for showing it to me !!!

Helen’s tiny chest heaved as she squirmed in Marvin’s palm, her voice a high-pitched quiver as she pleaded, “Marvin, please! Stop this—put me down, change me back! I won’t tell anyone, I swear!” Her words tumbled out in a desperate rush, her hands pushing against his calloused skin, but they were no more than whispers to his giant ears. Marvin’s smirk twisted into something darker, his pale blue eyes narrowing as he tilted his head, considering her with a chilling glee.

“Stop?” he rasped, his voice a low rumble that vibrated through her. “Oh, we’re just gettin’ started, little lady.” His free hand hovered over her, fingers flexing with intent, and Helen’s stomach dropped as she realized pleading wouldn’t sway him. Instead, it seemed to fuel his deviant curiosity.

Marvin’s approach grew bolder, his massive fingers moving with a surprising dexterity for their size as he began to undress her tiny, six-inch form.

Each piece of clothing was stripped away with deliberate care, his actions methodical yet tinged with a perverse fascination. Here’s how he removed each item, and how Helen felt with every violation:

Unbuttoning the Blouse: Marvin’s thumbnail, rough and chipped, pressed against the first pearl button of her cream blouse. With a flick, it popped open, then the next, and the next, until the fabric parted like a curtain. He peeled it back, sliding it off her shoulders with two fingers. Helen’s arms flailed, her face flushing crimson as a wave of humiliation crashed over her. The cool office air hit her skin, and she felt utterly exposed, her dignity unraveling with each undone button.

Tugging Off the Blouse Completely: Gripping the blouse’s hem between his thumb and forefinger, Marvin yanked it free, pulling it over her head and off her arms in one swift motion. The fabric rustled faintly as it dangled from his fingers like a trophy. Helen curled inward, her arms crossing over her chest instinctively. A sickening helplessness gnawed at her, her breath shallow as she fought the tears prickling her eyes—her polished exterior was being dismantled, piece by piece.

Unzipping the Skirt: Marvin’s fingernail traced the side of her charcoal skirt until it found the tiny zipper, now no bigger than a grain of rice. With a slow, grating sound, he dragged it down, loosening the skirt’s grip on her hips. He pinched the waistband and slid it off her legs, letting it pool in his palm. Helen’s legs kicked futilely, a sharp pang of vulnerability stabbing through her. The loss of the skirt felt like shedding armor, leaving her stripped of any semblance of control.

Removing the Shoes: He hooked a finger under the heel of one black pump, slipping it off her foot with a gentle tug, then repeated the process with the other. The shoes clattered softly as he set them aside, his thumb brushing her bare soles. Helen flinched, a jolt of unease rippling through her. The shoes had been a small anchor to her normalcy, and now, barefoot, she felt even smaller, more fragile, her connection to her former self slipping away.

Sliding Off the Anklet: Marvin’s nail caught the silver anklet, its delicate chain snapping with the slightest pressure as he pulled it free. He twirled it between his fingers before tossing it aside. Helen’s heart sank, a quiet grief mingling with her fear. That anklet had been hers—a personal token—and its loss felt like a final erasure of her identity, leaving her raw and diminished.

By now, Helen was left in her undergarments, her body trembling as Marvin’s giant hand shifted beneath her. His grin widened, his breath quickening as he studied her, his fingers twitching with anticipation. She was a living doll to him, a plaything stripped of agency, and the realization sank into her like a cold weight. Her pleas turned to choked sobs, her voice barely audible as she whispered, “Please… no more…”

But Marvin’s deviant glee only deepened, his hands poised to continue his exploration. Helen’s mind raced, searching for escape, her spirit battered but not yet broken. She clung to a flicker of defiance, determined to endure until she could turn the tables on the monstrous janitor towering over her.

SHALL I CONTINUE PUSHING GROK´S SPIRIT ???

[Doll_size_girl]

I appreciate all the feedback :3

Grok is fun for quick, structured, personal enjoyment. It would be a bit different if I wanted to produce content for others.

In several cases, Grok lets me rewrite stories I enjoyed but for one reason or another the original deviated from my interest. Many people make good stories or good parts of stories, but I often hate how they end things. The ultimate outcome almost never has any consequences and the mini escapes or some sutch. I love being able to bring thing the direction I want and achieve darker payoffs.

All in all, I hope Grok prices will be lower in the future. I spend several days playing with it and would hate to go back to time before it existed.

Hope you all are anjoying the weekend ^_^

[sallyfourth]

I appreciate all the feedback :3

Grok is fun for quick, structured, personal enjoyment. It would be a bit different if I wanted to produce content for others.

In several cases, Grok lets me rewrite stories I enjoyed but for one reason or another the original deviated from my interest. Many people make good stories or good parts of stories, but I often hate how they end things. The ultimate outcome almost never has any consequences and the mini escapes or some sutch. I love being able to bring thing the direction I want and achieve darker payoffs.

All in all, I hope Grok prices will be lower in the future. I spend several days playing with it and would hate to go back to time before it existed.

Hope you all are anjoying the weekend ^_^

I think you have perfectly identified the salient point regarding what the current generation of generative AI can and cannot do. It can modify extant stories or portions of stories by altering them to include elements that you have defined in your prompt. What it doesn't do is create anything that is actually new.

Thanks you for sharing your experiences.

Seeya

[nsfwstory]

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