AI??

[Little Sally]

How about naming it "AI SW imagery"

In any event, having it's own section will be a step in the right direction.

If the problem is that most art is AI, wouldn't it make sense to have the less common works in their own category? Where would you put my current folder that mixes AI and non-ai works, and will continue to do so?

I don't know, where would you suggest? But do I care? Not a lot.

Which avoids categorising it as being art (in the true sense).

Art (in the true sense) is an oil soaked rag, hanging in a museum, fawned over by sycophants. The main role of art is money laundering. AI works are better than art, because they are the products of honest desire. AI works succeed, because they move and influence the viewers, and may be influenced by them. "Art" would claim to be more important than the person viewing it. Art breeds arrogance and divisiveness from those who revel in its useless minutia.

Well it seems you've recovered from your insecure little outbursts above in the thread, so long may it continue and good luck to you.

But you're not convincing anyone but yourself with your opinions.

[DocRick]

The main role of art is money laundering.

Only if your dad is a, now former, president.

[Prof Sai]

But you're not convincing anyone but yourself with your opinions.

How would you know? Have you asked anyone but yourself?

Like I said at first. No one ever convinces anyone of anything anymore.

[Little Sally]

But you're not convincing anyone but yourself with your opinions.

How would you know? Have you asked anyone but yourself?

I don't need to. The only thing I need to ask for clarity on these issues is my own common sense, and there are many more like me who think the same.

AI imagery wouldn't exist without the work that real artists have provided, and AI imagery is a product of that. Period.

Personally, I don't give a damn about some bozo announcing themself an artist because they've text prompted a cute SW image, because it sure as hell doesn't make them an artist. You should surely know that from your earlier endeavours, which at least were your own work.

But I don't think I'm interested in continuing this futile discussion with you, beyond this point.

[Prof Sai]

AI imagery wouldn't exist without the work that real artists have provided,

This is equally true of photo montages. I've already pointed this out, and you ignored it. That is why the conversation isn't going anywhere.

[DocRick]

Collaging/writing vs. AI imaging/composition can be compared to picking up a chick at a bar vs. hiring a hooker. The first one requires imagination, ingenuity and effort and you get a result that leaves you satisfied. The second requires a payment, telling it what you want, and it does all the work.

[Prof Sai]

So much "expertise" from people who have never done it. I can do a photo montage faster than getting a render I want. I just did, in fact.

Edit: Waitaminute. Are you guys just trolling me? You can't be this uninformed about what AI is like. I keep responding to your concerns and none of you have acknowledged anything I said.

[Elana]

Never underestimate the stupidity of people

Most people have no clue about how AI works.
And the opponents of AI have a near 100% rate

[DocRick]

Edit: Waitaminute. Are you guys just trolling me?

[2KFSK]

Okay, so, a few things

I didn't mean to spark actual tensions. Again, on principle, I don't enjoy AI in creative spaces with very minor exceptions.
Secondly, I need to recontextualize the post. I only seldom visit this board, so my familiarity with it is nil. Again I'm not trying to crash in and change everything based on a whim. That being said, my aversion to coming across AI in the Shrunken Woman stories boards remains the same.

Thank you sincerely for listening to the complaint of a relative newcomer! I do think it will probably also help to further subdivide into violent AI art and stories, though this in itself is a good start.

[Little Sally]

Never underestimate the stupidity of people

Most people have no clue about how AI works.
And the opponents of AI have a near 100% rate

Ha, that explains it then.

Some of us are stupid for not appreciating AI. I'll remember that next time I'm stupid enough not to look at the stuff!

Cheers Elana.

[Prof Sai]

The AI will actually RESPOND to what I ask and say, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over. Look at the world that humans build and tell me why I want them in charge?

[Prof Sai]

Some of us are stupid for not appreciating AI.

It is fine to not like something. It is not fine to invent moral failings, and ignore reasons why those failings are not true. Fortunately, "Opponents of AI" are just a loud minority, as views of artists on DeviantArt can attest.

[Little Sally]

Some of us are stupid for not appreciating AI.

It is fine to not like something. It is not fine to invent moral failings, and ignore reasons why those failings are not true. Fortunately, "Opponents of AI" are just a loud minority, as views of artists on DeviantArt can attest.

I'm beginning to think you need help Sai. You just can't let it be can you.

If you can't accept the old fashioned idea of agreeing to disagree on an issue, then I'd seriously advise you should seek that help.

Like I've tried to explain before, I'm just not interested in whether you or others enjoy AI in whatever way you like, and I don't condemn anyone for doing so.

Just as long as you and others can accept that many don't like it, or believe that it's a good thing. It is really as simple as that.

[Prof Sai]

I don't condemn anyone for doing so.

You THINK you aren't condemning anyone, but listen to yourself.

[Josh the Cyborg]

The Issue with AI Art Generation is it has no real meaning behind it beyond a Primal Idea, and Generally it cannot be Directed in an Impactful, Direct or Meaningful way. The Amount of Time it takes to get a Story out of Image Generation is the same amount of Time it takes for an Adult to get good at Drawing if they Try. Seriously the those AI Comics usually take months because the AI does not actually know what you want. Want to know how long it takes to get good at Drawing so long as you are Practicing the Right way. 2 to 6 months, depending on you're own Aptitute. PewDeiPie Demonstrated this. He had no Skills and in the Course of 3 Months Mastered the Anime and Manga Style. Most Artist myself Included Practice Casually, if you go at from the Angle of a Challenge you will Improve Rapidly. Thats also why 99% of Art schools are a Scam. The only 2 that guarantee a Job are the 2 run by Disney. One is in California, the other is in Florida.

AI Writing... honestly has a Genuine Use, Machine Translation, Though Contrary to Popular Opinion I see this as Ripe for Abuse by Localizers to change the Source Material, the Excuse given. Oh the AI did it. AI stories though, well everyone kinda already knew the most Popular Writers got there because they got Lucky. Only Exceptions being the Writers everyone Copies. Tolkien, CS Lewis, Goerge Lucas, Plato, when it comes to Anime Can't think of the Author names but everyone Copies, Azumangadio, Lucky Star, Studio Gainax, Evangelion, Gundam, Full Metal Alchemist. The Cost of Originality is to end up being Copied for the rest of human existence. The Main issue with AI Writing is the Studies showing that its now Massively Contributing to the American illiteracy Epidemic in Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Sure us Millenials, Gen Xs, and Boomers may be unaffected but we grew up in a Time where you could not Rely on Technology to do all the Work For you. The Younger Gen Z and all Gen A are growing up in a Time where that is Reality.

Whats Truly Reprehensible though is AI Voice Cloning. One as an Audiophile I honestly think Robotic Voices sound better. Also Synth Voices like Hatsune Miku are Still Leagues ahead, but the Reprehensible thing is how its being Used to steal Someone's Likeness and for honestly Innocent Purposes like dubbing Jokes, but thats still not Ok.

I personally avoid AI art because I see no real Emotional Value, my Brain goes yeah useful Fap Material but now I know a Person did not make it I have no Emotional Interest in it because there is no real underlying Idea being Comunicated beyond a Pretty Picture. I like to try to Understand my Fellow Man. Maybe its because of my Religious Background, maybe not.

At the End of the Day. AI Generation is just a Tool with very few uses, like any Tool it is ripe for Abuse. The Real Innovations in AI is coding but that has come to a Halt because of how much it needs to be Babysat to make sure it does not write useless Gibberish Code. Until the Day Machines that can actually think and Imagine are Created, there is no replacement for Human Creativity.

The real Issue with the current Art Industry is this. They kicked out all the good Writers and Artist in Favor of Lapdogs that would write whatever the Suites and Investors wanted. Disney is Publically Traded and so are most the Big Entertainment Companies. If AI could replace Artists and Writers in these Companies it would have last year it hasn't. The Future of the Industry is in the Independent World because Mainstream World Canceled and Me too'd all the Imaginitive Writers and Artists.

[Josh the Cyborg]

Art (in the true sense) is an oil soaked rag, hanging in a museum, fawned over by sycophants. The main role of art is money laundering. AI works are better than art, because they are the products of honest desire. AI works succeed, because they move and influence the viewers, and may be influenced by them. "Art" would claim to be more important than the person viewing it. Art breeds arrogance and divisiveness from those who revel in its useless minutia.

The Grand Majority of Artist are Starving Weirdos that find that part of the Art World absolutely Disgusting. The Money Laundering is over the dumbest thing to like that 2 billion Dollar Banana duct taped to a wall. Most Artist don't produce art in Hopes of making it big. Most the time it because their just Weird, Mentally ill, like expressing themselves that way, have been mentally abused and their Art is their only escape from that. Sure there are other reasons, and we'll always have people that insist on Joining some kind of Tribe. Its simply Evolution's best way of ensuring Survival. Its why I don't care about Politics really, because Politics is Prime Tribalism on Display, next to that is Sports based Tribalism and after that Art Fandoms(Tribalism) humans form Tribes and there is no getting away from that. The Money laundering is 1% of the Art world. Artist that can actually make a Living off their Art is 5 to 10%, the rest of the Art World is people like in this Forum, people who do Art as Stress relief and Comunication. Most of us have to work for a Living and make Collages, do 3D modeling, or Draw in our Spare Time because they like to 90% of Art is Stress Relief. If Profit were the only Motivation the only Art that would Exist is the Afformentioned Money Laundering kind.

I peronally am the Type that if I am not Passionate about a piece I can't do it and I simply can't be Passionate about Art if I am being Paid to do it. The moment I make Art my Job is the Moment I give up art. Most of the Pre-modern Artist would also look at the Modern art Money Laundering in Pure Disgust. We know because they have said as much in their Writings and again I mean Premodern/PreAmerican Artists. The likes of Walt Disney Corporatized Art and was hated by his Fellow Artist for doing so.

[Prof Sai]

The choice of tool tells you nothing about how much care and thought was put into a work.

I just posted a collage that Hand-Holder says is "quite promising..." It took me 10 minutes to make it, including finding photos with image search. Since I have no control over any of the elements, I can't imagine what promise Hand-Holder sees - I can't expand or continue the story in any way. The works I've posted above them are dramatically more difficult to produce. They are also collages, but of images I made with AI.

I brought up the money laundering thing because I was hoping to get the "AI isn't Art" people to stop and ask themselves what those words actually mean. What is the value of art? If it is effort, I put far more into my AI art than most photo collages take. (Typing a prompt is harder than moving a pencil.) If you value the result, then the tools used should be irrelevant. If you value the ethics, then you need to learn how things really work and decide for yourself, rather than paroting someone's claim and condemning something you don't understand.

[Josh the Cyborg]

The choice of tool tells you nothing about how much care and thought was put into a work.

I just posted a collage that Hand-Holder says is "quite promising..." It took me 10 minutes to make it, including finding photos with image search. Since I have no control over any of the elements, I can't imagine what promise Hand-Holder sees - I can't expand or continue the story in any way. The works I've posted above them are dramatically more difficult to produce. They are also collages, but of images I made with AI.

I brought up the money laundering thing because I was hoping to get the "AI isn't Art" people to stop and ask themselves what those words actually mean. What is the value of art? If it is effort, I put far more into my AI art than most photo collages take. (Typing a prompt is harder than moving a pencil.) If you value the result, then the tools used should be irrelevant. If you value the ethics, then you need to learn how things really work and decide for yourself, rather than paroting someone's claim and condemning something you don't understand.

These are my own claims. I'm High Functioning Autistic the only thing I do is over think everything it is honestly a Problem. I've had people tell me they did not think over thinking was possible till they met me. This has happened more than once... just with different Words... Even now I am trying to keep myself from Over thinking this Response.

As Stated. I personally can't bring myself to see Value in Something Software Generated. I don't care what others think about me. My Main Concern is the Actual Studies funded by Microsoft that Claim its Accelerating the American Illiteracy Epidemic.

I'm a Linux user btw I don't care what anyone thinks about me.

[Prof Sai]

My autism is better than your autism!

[Josh the Cyborg]

Not bragging I'm admitting tbis is a Problem. I have Diagnosis Papers.

[Little Sally]

Not bragging I'm admitting tbis is a Problem. I have Diagnosis Papers.

Thanks for sharing.

Not wanting to barge in your conversation, but I think it's helpful for others if they know about your condition (and also members who have similar issues).

Knowing helps us make allowances, and can sometimes prevent misunderstandings.

[DocRick]

When it comes to AI/CGI art, the only thing that matters is what you like. If you like it, fine, if you don't, fine. But when it comes to AI writing, mathematics and even sciences, I foresee a problem.

When I was a kid, there was a television commercial of robots carrying a human head in a box. The head was reciting scientific jargon like E=mc2 and such. The box was left in a room, and the head began to panic. The commercial ended with the comment, "What we don't use, we lose."

While this commercial was a commentary on the lack of physical exercise in young people, that was already starting in the 1970's, fulminating into the obesity and sedentary lifestyle epidemic we have today, it holds the same value. If we let computers take over our thinking, we will cease to be able to think.

[Prof Sai]

While this commercial was a commentary on the lack of physical exercise in young people, that was already starting in the 1970's, fulminating into the obesity and sedentary lifestyle epidemic we have today, it holds the same value. If we let computers take over our thinking, we will cease to be able to think.

Photography didn't stop people from painting. Cars didn't make horses extinct. Records didn't stop people from learning instruments. People think and create because they LIKE to do so. AI simply lets people focus on the tasks they actually want to perform.

A movie like Small Molly can't be made today because of economics. Not enough people would pay to watch it. The AI by itself will just sit there waiting for a prompt. But equip that creator with a few friends and AI tools, and soon projects like that will be viable.

Art will become more like science, where building on the works of others is the norm. "If we see further than our ancestors, it is because we stand on the shoulders of giants."

[DocRick]

I said that I was not considering "arts" because it is simply a preference. I was referring to the usage of our brains.

When I was a kid, we were not allowed to have calculators in school. We had to do all the work on paper and in our heads. Today, stores shut down when the power goes out because the cashiers can't figure out how much change I get back from a $10 bill buying a $7.83 pack of smoke

Horses still exist but probably less than 1 in 10,000 people know how to ride them and there are far, far less horses around than in 1890. Automatic transmissions replaced manual transmissions but probably less than 1 in 10,000 people can drive a standard, which makes my car nearly theft proof.

Skills not taught or used are lost. Education professors say writing is no longer a useful skill to teach in schools. Reading comprehension is a lost art because people can't write intelligently in informal writing, so no one actually "reads" what someone writes, as I pointed out in the first sentence. No one can work on cars anymore in their driveways because technology has made it virtually impossible. Modern paramedics are useless without an ambulance full of gadgets and gizmos because the schools no longer teach hands-on patient assessments using your eyes, ears and hands.

The more we depend on technology, the more helpless people are when it fails.